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Centaur Call Signs

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1966-67, 1968-69, 1970-71, 1972

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1966 - 1967

Powell to Fleming Sep 2011
I came upon a note where Burgess referred to Ernie Sanders, OH-23 Section leader, as Centaur 11. Then Stephenson took 11 and then Burgess. Would it be logical to assume that Delvy, Gun Platoon leader during Sanders time was Centaur 10? Who was Gun leader when Delvy went to Opns? What was Billy Vinsons position? 

I've grappled with this problem of call signs. I remember being 20 as Light Scout Section Leader, and I believe I kept that call sign the few times I was Gun Platoon leader. 40 always seemed to be the Section Leader of the Hogs, so I had assumed the Baby Scout leader was 10. But then if Sanders was 11 as Section Leader then maybe the 10 call sign was reserved for Gun Platoon leader. 

Also was Centaur 3 the Operations Officer (Yes)? and did the Assistant Opns Officer have a call sign (Prilliman)

Fleming to Powell 1 Oct 2011
At the point in time you are referring to C-10 was the Aero Scout Platoon Cdr and it was Cpt Billy R. Vinson which was the Heavy Scout Leader.  The Troop MTOE was structured that way with the Platoon Ldr the 9th LOH pilot.  As far as I know we never organized that way rather provisionally the Lt Sct Leader ran the Light Scouts and the senior HVy Sct officer ran the two sections of Hvy Scts.  Their call signs went from C-20 up. The weapon section was by MTOE a separate section.  A lot had to do with how efficiency reports were written and the grade of the position.

Centuar 3 was the Flight Operations Officer Frank Delvy.  When he made Major and DROSed, Billy Vinson moved to Flt Opns,  Harold Fisher moved to XO  Bill Wilde moved to Aero Rifle C-30 and I moved to CDR.  These moves came in fairly rapid sequence. It gets confusing I know.

Powell to Fleming
This is a good start for me in getting it sorted out in my head. It has always been very confusing, both the Call Signs and the Section and Platoon names. Seems like there had to be some official format for assigning call signs; and that it should have been recorded in Flight Opns. All I remember when I arrived in Feb67, was Cpt Sanders saying he was C-11 and I was assigned C-17. Then a very short period of time later a bunch of people rotated and Sanders told me I was now second to him as C-12. I have notes that say I was named Gun Platoon Leader and C-20 on 9 Sep 1967. Somewhere in between I must have had a different call sign in the twenties. 

In early Feb 67 I was told that Cpt Delvy was the gun platoon leader. Some months later he was the one that checked me out in guns. Do you remember if Vinson outranked Delvy? 

I reviewed some of the Air Cav TO&E's on line. Many are similar to ours but always different. Was our unit unique? We never did the "Pinks" and "Blues" thing. Maybe there was no other unit like ours in the Army. Here is an example of a unit similar to ours; seems like we should have some document like this somewhere:

http://d-1-10thcav-vietnam.com/toe5.html

It was never clear to me what the "Official" title of the platoons and sections were. I doubt if "Baby Scouts" was ever on the record, however the term was used in a Nov 1967 issue of the Tropic Lightning News (attached). I always thought that the OH-23 Section didn't have a name, other than "Ash and Trash" and "Taxi Service" branch of the Light Scout Section. At that time the Gun Platoon to me was just the "Gun Platoon" with Light Scouts (with their little OH-23 attachment) and Heavy Scouts (Hogs). Never could nail down the official call sign of the Gun Platoon leader. I think you are correct, that there was no official call sign like C-6 or C-30. Instead the ranking Section leader in the Platoon kept his section call sign and was just known as the Platoon Leader.

Maybe Collins can help us out with the Call Sign structure of the LRRPs. Dow and Mosenthal can give us that of the Aerorifle Platoon.

Fleming 2 Oct 2011
C-10,20,30,40 were considered Platoon Leaders C-3,4,5,6 were administrative level leaders.  C-12 14,16 would have been Team Leaders As would C-22 24 26 and C-42.  These positions were reserved for commissioned officers (if there was one to fill the position).  If you remember Cpt Stephenson was the ranking officer in the Aero Scout Platoon so he carried the call sign C-10 after 9 Sep.
Delvy out ranked Vinson.  The Major’s list that came out in August ranked Fleming, Fisher, Delvy, Vinson in that order (Delvy may have ranked Fisher).  Delvy was a Major for only about a month before he DEROSed.

Dow 2 Oct 2011
Here are a few more for you.
   CPT Richard Timmermeyer  -   C-30 ??? Feb 68
                                                          C -3  Feb 68 – Aug 68
   CPT John Whitehead   C-30  Feb – Aug 68
                                           C -3 Aug 68 – Feb 69
   LT Andrew Gerrie   C -35  ??? – Aug 67
   LT William Mosenthal   C -35   Aug 67 – 30 Jan 68
   LT Dale Dow   C-35  31 Jan – 9 Aug 68
   SSG William Altenhofen  C-39  Feb 67 – Feb 68
  
 
I checked the photo of the crew status board that Mike Galloway sent me.  It has all kinds of information, but doesn’t list call signs.

Altenhofen Oct 2011
When I was there I inherited C-34 as fourth squad leader.
1st Sqd was 31. 2nd was 32, 3rd was 33.   At one time I had two squad leaders named 'Jones', so I refered to them as 31 Jones and 33 Jones  31 was a Sgt. 33 was a Sp4.


Mosenthal5 Oct 2011
I do recall that the slick section commander  was always Centaur 36 in my day – Cpt Wilde and later Cpt Fisher (I was C-35 as the ground platoon leader). The rifle squads were as Bill A. lists them. The platoon sergeant had a call sign but I cannot remember what it was, and I cannot remember what call signs we used in the LRRPs. 

Charlie Johnson put out this draft

Centaur 6 - Tom Fleming - Troop Commander - Feb '68
 
Centaur 4 - Tom Fleming - Service/Maintenance Platoon Leader
 
Stable Boy - Tom Fleming - Maintenance/Aircraft Recovery 
 
Centaur 5 - Harold Fisher - Troop Executive Officer
 
Centaur 30 - Harold Fisher - Aero Rifle/Slicks Platoon Leader
 
Centaur ** - Pat 'Joaquin' Eastes - Heavy Scouts/Mini-Guns Pilot/Aircraft Commander
 
Centaur 43 - Pat 'Joaquin' Eastes - Aero Weapons/HOGS Pilot/Aircraft Commander
 
Centaur 44 - Charlie 'Chuck' Johnson - Aero Weapons/HOGS Pilot - Aug '67/ Nov '67
 
Centaur 40 - Charlie 'Chuck' Johnson - Aero Weapons/HOGS Section Leader - Nov '67/May '68
 
Centaur 30 - Charlie 'Chuck' Johnson - Aero Rifle/Slicks Platoon Leader/Aircraft Commander - May '68/Jun '68

Centaur 37 - Joe Bridges - Aero Rifle/Slicks Platoon Pilot/Aircraft Commander
 
Centaur 41 - Rick Arthur - Aero Weapons/HOGS Pilot/Aircraft Commander

Centaur 20 - Bruce Powell - Gun Platoon Leader/Cobra Aircraft Commander - * '68* '68

Centaur 21 - Rick Williams 
 
Centaur 38 - Mike Banks - Aero Rifle/Slicks Pilot/Aircraft Commander
 
Centaur 36 - Mike Siegel - Aero Rifle/Slicks Pilot/Aircraft Commander/Slicks IP - * '67 * '68
 
Centaur 44 - Richard Spalding - Gun Platoon/Cobra Pilot/Aircraft Commander
 
Centaur * - Bill Mosenthal - Aero Rifle Infantry Platoon Leader - * '67 Jan '68

Centaur * - Dale Dow - Aero Rifle Infantry Platoon Leader - Jan '68

Centaur * - Larry Patterson - Aero Scouts Pilot/Aircraft Commander - * 67 * 68

Centaur * - Charlie 'Chuck' Rice - Aero Scouts Pilot/Aircraft Commander/Platoon Leader - * '67 * '68

 

Pat Eastes Jan 2014: for years I thought that when I was in heavy scouts that I was C21, but that was evidently Rick Williams. I might have been C24, and Doc Halliday was C23. When I went to hogs, I was C43.

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1968 - 1969

COMMENTS  

Stan Allen (6Jan2017): During 1969 and 70 Mr. Zorger's call sign was C-28 . I am not sure but it may have been the call sign for Night hawk leader.


 

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1970 - 1971

COMMENTS

Stan Allen (6Jan2017): During 1969 and 70 Mr. Zorger's call sign was C-28 . I am not sure but it may have been the call sign for Night hawk leader. 


 

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1972

COMMENTS